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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.06.27 00:41:00 -
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I would like to see a more structured rule system rather than the very vague ones used now.
A post that mutates into another for a few pages is not necessarily off topic but just a different tangent people feel needs to be discussed.
As to the rumor rule a clarification as to this would be great. Does it cover any rumor at all or just rumors about CCP its self. I ask this as the entire crap posting CSM interference I ran earlier this year was entirely based on rumors. If we cannot use any rumors it will be boring and would give an unfair advantage to people who are not members of Goonswarm, in the next CSM election. We would have so many facts to throw against them while they will have very few to throw back. Otherwise all the CSM discussions will be is Goonswarm say something not proven as a fact and next you have 5 posts saying "Rumor ban the Goon". Then what will you do, as the rules in there present form state that rumors are a banable offense. All it will lead to is factual statements of CCP favoring one alliance over the rest of the game or a lot of pissed goons.
Also the moderators will need to be more attentive when closing duplicate threads, as they have already closed threads that were similar but not actually the same on this forum. It may seem a trivial point but when you are arguing for something not exactly the same as another person the threads get badly distorted if they have to be placed in the same thread. And frankly I feel like scum when I usurp someone else's thread(Unintentionally)
I welcome CCP's willingness to discuss these matters even though the fact that some people had to get banned first to show what was wrong was not a good step in the right direction.
A lot of people are still distrusting after last summers atrocities and frankly you cannot blame them. CCP lost a lot of trust and respect in those dark days and while the forums need moderation, a slow increase over time would have been a better way rather than trying to change them all at once.
Please unban those who were banned to get us to this level of communication as a sign of good faith and a willingness to learn from your mistakes. (Although I must say we are not blameless in this)
Thank you again for talking about this and hopefully saving this forum from obscurity. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.06.27 00:59:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I would like to see a more structured rule system rather than the very vague ones used now.
A post that mutates into another for a few pages is not necessarily off topic but just a different tangent people feel needs to be discussed.
As to the rumor rule a clarification as to this would be great. Does it cover any rumor at all or just rumors about CCP its self. I ask this as the entire crap posting CSM interference I ran earlier this year was entirely based on rumors. . You getting really weird and creepy whiteknighting Issler Dainze for CSM wasn't a "rumor". Your very right. Given the number of people who play EvE from the United states and after watching the South Park episode on Terrorism. I wanted to know if the joke about people from the United States was true. Also a comment Made by Jeremy Clarkson about the matting habits of the people of the United States and vegetables made me want to know more.
Well the result of the election pretty much turned that from a Joke to a Fact. Thanks for taking part in the Study
Oh so yes your allegation of white knighting was a rumor not a fact and as I said above "Rumor Ban Him" Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 02:05:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Frying Doom wrote: so yes your allegation of white knighting was a rumor not a fact and as I said above "Rumor Ban Him" Actually that makes the white knighting fact and your post-sperg damage control fall under the realm of 'rumor' sooo... And sperg being one of the things they should get rid of. Pointless attacks on the disabled and racial groups should be the first thing to go. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:39:00 -
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Removed by user Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:53:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:I have deleted posts which are off topic for this discussion. Jade and Goons, cut it out on this thread. Thank you. Navigator, I'm sorry that this argument keeps coming back. But is it really off topic for a thread about the future of community moderation to talk about a recurring form of bullying and smearing that has been going on since 2008? Jade if it concerns you that much and as I noted he had a picture of someone(Supposedly you) on it just contact the Host and have them kill the site. It isn't hosted in a country immune to laws. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:10:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Jade if it concerns you that much and as I noted he had a picture of someone(Supposedly you) on it just contact the Host and have them kill the site. It isn't hosted in a country immune to laws. I have written 3 different letters to the host. All have been ignored. I have reported the site to my local authorities and unfortunately there is literally nothing they can do. I have also had lengthy discussions with eve GM's through the petition system that have not even been able to block links from this site. Frankly - short of well ... talking about this. I'm not sure what else can be done? Just send the Host a demand to close the site within 24 hours and demand payment for the publishing of a picture without license to do so. Then just ask for a mere 5 cents per raw visitor to the site from the host. Failing that contact a lawyer as you have a case on royalties alone for the picture, it also falls under copyright infringement. That's just ignoring the other stuff of course. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Well thus far they haven't even responded to my mails, as far as I can tell the registrar for the domain is http://tucowsinc.com/contact/ but the admin email given for the host is some really dodgy looking email address with a telephone number (which doesn't pickup) in Canada. Details for http://crackerjax.org sent via ingame mail as everyone doesn't need to know if you need more help feel free to send me an ingame mail. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.06.28 14:55:00 -
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Spaja Saist wrote:This whole thread is nothing more than CCP doing damage control.
I've been playing this game off and on since it went live and this cycle of not listening to the players, Personally I prefer the damage control to the complete ignoring of a problem. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:27:00 -
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I have become concerned that all the fun is being sucked out of General Discussion. I am perfectly aware of the no rumor rule subsequently no longer making this part of the Meta game.
But killing of threads like the funny CQ hamburger one and now "proof of sekret alliancia between goonswrm y triple a" is just a bit ridiculous. They were just good fun threads with some harmless fun involved.
Or Is GD to just be replaced with a factual library of topics. If so it would be less boring if you just replaced it with a corrected and updated WiKi. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.25 02:37:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:GD is for discussion that does not fall into the other categories. It is not for off topic threads whose only purpose is an attention grab. Actually almost all of what is posted in GD does fall under another category except the whacky threads. Its just that most of them are not moved. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.30 01:32:00 -
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Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)
But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?
Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.30 05:45:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)
But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?
Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system Hey, it's the NickyYo tinfoil hat brigade. Has NickyYo brought forth any evidence to support his assertion of corruption? No? Ah... Got any evidence of favoritism (besides their well established habit of whitewashing anything critical of CCP)? No? Ah... If you have any solid evidence of anything, I believe [email protected] is your destination. Anyway, the safety measures are the same as with CCP Devs. We're not allowed to know who their IG characters are, and it's hard to bribe someone whom we can't identify. Actually I can't say I do believe him but it would be nice to know they have safeguards in place because unlike DEVs, ISDs don't have to worry about loosing their jobs if they are caught telling their alliance members who they are and taking bribes. As the ISD is just a volunteer position. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.30 07:08:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Actually I can't say I do believe him but it would be nice to know they have safeguards in place because unlike DEVs, ISDs don't have to worry about loosing their jobs if they are caught telling their alliance members who they are and taking bribes. As the ISD is just a volunteer position. I just hate it when my arguments from earlier get thrown back at me. Unless CCP's gonna ban fallen ISD accounts, that's always going to be a concern. Of course, historically CCP hasn't fired Devs for misconduct within the game, so I'm not sure how a game ban for an ISD would compare with a... whatever internal punishment they give Devs. It's really not something we can have much insight into either way. Either we trust the IA department to do their job or we don't. They're not going to tell us what they have and haven't done. If we trust the IA department, we can trust that the ISDs are unlikely to get away with taking bribes for moderation (silly as that sounds). Pretty much why I was wondering if they had active safeguards. I understand the passive ones, of us the players sending an email to internal affairs but do they actually have any active measures them selves to discover this kind of behaviour them selves.
For instance are they regularly checking the ISDs player accounts for large sums or gifts and requesting an explanation of these? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.30 08:39:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Hm, maybe we could all just relax a bit, and remember what the ISD's favorite words are.
If you have any problems with moderation, feel free to send a petition about it.
Of course someone powerful in a null sec alliance, could bribe GMs as well as the ISD, so those petitions go unanswered. As well as someone offering beer to CCP for the moderation problem, to just be ignored. Also a powerful person in null sec, could offer a great job to a person in IA, which he would then ignore the moderation problems, to get said job. I could go on of course, but hopefully, they just respond to your petition. Subsequently making the purpose of this thread? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:48:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)
But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?
Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system The checks that are in place are pretty much the same as we have for others who have some access to our back end tools. We don't have any problem with people reporting their suspicions to us (on the contrary), through a petition or mail, but we want and need some evidence to be presented and when people spread rumors publicly without a shred of evidence, we don't take kindly to it any more than if people spread unsupported rumors about CCP staff. Rumors without evidence do nothing but stir up bad vibes. Lets imagine that you knew of actual bad things, what would be more productive...presenting the same evidence that convinced you to the people responsible, or starting a thread about it without including any evidence? retracted
I saw the chicken launcher.
Just for the record I was not accusing the ISDs of anything I was just inquiring as to whether adequate security measures so prevent corruption where in place. My apologies if you believed I was rumor mongering on such a dangerous subject. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:27:00 -
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minerdave wrote:Really? JUST locked? Are you sure you don't want to try that again? That is nit picking in its finest. It was 6 hours ago not a week Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.09.24 05:05:00 -
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I am more interested in ISD40's locks for necro titles.
Now I thought that if a title was unused for a period of time it was auto locked.
If it is not how is this necro'd, if CCP want to say a topic is necro why don't they just make the auto lock quicker.
No title should ever be locked by an ISD for necro, it should only be automatic. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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